Room Conversation

18 June 1996 Los Angeles

Room Conversation

[Hari-katha spoken by Nitya Lila Pravista Om Visnupada Astottara Sata Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja – Srila Gurudeva]

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Sripad Shrauti Maharaja: Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada said something about the real preachers, they should make an uncompromising campaign against those who have malice and who are sincerely illusioned.

Srila Gurudeva: You should explain what he said.

Syamarani dasi: He quoted Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saravati Thakura that there should be an uncompromising campaign against malice and people who are sincerely illusioned.

Srila Gurudeva: Yes, we are in that mood. Indeed, our whole Parampara is in that mood.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: In other words, he is saying there are two kinds of people. One person has so much malice in the heart, he is not acceptable. The other person is simply in illusion, he is sincere…

[Break of audio.]

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: In the pranama mantra for Kesava Maharaja, it is stated, “Namah Om Vishnupadaya Acharya Simha Rupine.”

Devotee: Like a lion.

Srila Gurudeva: I have come from him. Not all, but something is needed.


“I cannot compromise with the whole world if they are on your side,” I have told this to them many times.

Devotee: When you were at Radha Kunda this past parikrama, you were roaring like a lion.

Srila Gurudeva: My every word was like an atom bomb.


Hare Krishna Hare Krishna..

But, actually I don’t see any difference between ISKCON and me. But, I think that they have no intelligence. So, they should be forgiven because they are our children. We should not fight with them; they are our blind children.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna..

To a devotee: I will give you time at about 11 or 12. At that time you can question me and I will give you a flower.


Oh, one thing, I want to see our program schedule. I will have to give classes for seven days?

Brajanatha Prabhu: No, no. For another four or five days.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: No, no. Today is Wednesday. We will be here for five days. And on the Monday morning we arrive.

Srila Gurudeva: Where?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: We are going to this other city Bakersfield.

Srila Gurudeva: We go by car?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: By car. And it is three hours from here.

Srila Gurudeva: Yes, no harm. What will we do for these five days here? Only taking Prasadam? If there are no programs, let’s go on the streets and chant, “Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.”

If there are no programs, let us all go on Nagar-sankirtan.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: At evening time, there is a program every day at different homes.

Srila Gurudeva: Very good. In morning, the programs are here?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: The morning programs are here.

Brajanatha Prabhu: One day we should visit the beach and the ISKCON Temple.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Tomorrow is Thursday, so maybe tomorrow.

Bhudara Prabhu is here.

Srila Gurudeva: If they will not allow us to see the arati ceremony and offer flowers at the lotus feet of Svamiji during Guru-puja; then I will not go.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: So, must have arotik?

Srila Gurudeva: I will see arati, otherwise I will not go.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Then we must go at arati time.

Srila Gurudeva: If at another time, they tell us, “You are welcome,” very good. Otherwise, we will not go there. Our Prabhupada Svamiji is everywhere, we will go to the beach and take the footdust of Svamiji. I don’t want to create any problems for them. And everywhere, I will tell, “They have closed the doors for us.” No one has the right to tell anyone, “You cannot see others.” But if they persist in speaking this way, we should understand that they are more than Mohammedans and others.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Then we must come for the morning time, when they are opening the curtains of the deity?

Srila Gurudeva: If they agree, I will go. Otherwise, we will not go.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Then we will them, “We will only come at that time, or else we will not come.”

Srila Gurudeva: If I am not allowed to see the arati and Guru-puja, I will not go. We will think that Prabhupada Srila Svamiji and the deities are not there.

Syamarani dasi: When you were in Europe, you said, “If they don’t let me come, then I will the Indian newspapers.”

Srila Gurudeva: Yes, and all the newspapers.

Brajanatha Prabhu: American newspapers, and all other newspapers.

Srila Gurudeva: If they don’t allow us inside, you should write on behalf on me. My name should be there.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Definitely, we will do.

Devotee: Jaya Srila Gurudeva!

[Break of audio]

Srila Gurudeva:… Why they are fighting and we are fighting from Jagannatha temple priest and Brahmin? All Krishna devotees should go, whether ISKCON, out of ISKCON; everyone should go. We are fighting for that.

Syamarani dasi: Prabhupada used to give lectures that they wouldn’t allow Western devotees in the Jagannatha temple. And they made it very public.

[Break of audio]

Srila Gurudeva: How to control our minds? Can you tell?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Savai manah Krishna padaravindayoh.

Srila Gurudeva: That is correct but, you have so many requirements in this world that you cannot engage your mind in Krishna. So first, we should minimize our requirements.

You should tell your mind, “What you require from this world is for sense gratification only. So, my beloved mind, you should have no requirements.” By your past bad and good activities, all the things you want will come automatically and all the things you do not want will also come. So, you will have to tolerate and at the same time, when there will be no requirements; your mind will wander because it is a product of this material nature. You will have to check your mind from wandering, but how will you do this? You will have to give some food to the mind. If there are many monkeys that are disturbing us, then we will give some food to the monkeys and the monkeys will quarrel among themselves for the food. They will eat the food and they will not disturb us. So, give this monkey like mind something. But what is it that should be given to the mind? If you have no requirements, nothing, but yet, you are not giving any food to the mind; then your mind will disturb you and desires for sense gratification will arise. What is that food that should be given to the mind? Pray to Krishna and His name and say, “Save us! Save us! All bad habits should go away. No offenses and anarthas should remain or return.” You cannot save yourself by your own efforts. You have no power. You will have to pray to… To whom?

You will have to pray to those personalities who can control and subdue this impediments. Who are these personalities? They are the generals of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Who are the generals? They are Svarupa Damodara, Raya Ramananda, Sanatana Gosvami, Rupa Gosvami, Jiva Gosvami, Raghunatha das Gosvami, and their followers are the generals. They can control all these obstacles from affecting you, so, try to pray to them. While praying to them, weep from the core of your hearts, your cries must not be an external show. You engage in some activities as an external show. You chant harinama and walk here and there; this is for show. But, you should sit in a solitary place, and being alone, you must chant and pray to the holy name. You must worship and serve the holy name. I see that when you are walking, you go here and there in vain, and only artificially chant. This is not chanting, it is not nama-abhasa yet. But why should you continue chanting? Because chanting is your only recourse, besides chanting, you are doing nothing; so you must chant. But, that name you chant will not do anything.

Being in a place where no one can see you, you should very deeply think and chant. But what should you think? What you think is the food that should be given to the mind. Pray to Krishna, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Their associates. In Vrindavana, dried chickpeas are sold. Once you buy a certain quantity and eat, you will soon find yourself buying some more after a few minutes because you have finished eating what you bought earlier. So, something temporary should not be given to the mind, give it something that is permanent. You should make your mind remember the pastimes of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

You should tell your mind, “Oh mind, go where Caitanya Mahaprabhu is.” Where is Caitanya Mahaprabhu? He is in Mayapura. Now where is He? Try to discover where He is. Can you tell? What is He doing presently?

Sripada Shrauti Maharaja: He is in Sri Saci Matha’s courtyard, speaking to His associates.

Srila Gurudeva: What is He doing at this time?

Devotee: At this time? Udilo aruna purava bhage.

Srila Gurudeva: At this time, Mahaprabhu has returned from Srivasa Angana. The whole night, He was serving Krishna in the mood of Srimati Radhika. He returned with ‘Gargara mana.’ At once, Mahaprabhu will weep. Why? Because Nisanta lila had just ended. All were separated and when Mahaprabhu reaches home, all the devotees will come and pacify Him. After that, Saci Matha will come and on seeing her Nimai, she says, “Why are You so?” She will take Caitanya Mahaprabhu and wash His mouth with her hands. She tells Mahaprabhu, “Now the sun has arisen, You should go and bathe in the Ganga.” Then, Gadadhara Pandita, Svarupa Damodara, Murari Gupta, Jagadananda Pandit, Srivasa Pandit, Advaita Acharya, and all the associates of Mahaprabhu come. They all go to take bath in the waters of the Ganga who is nearby. While taking bath in the Ganga, Mahaprabhu thinks that Krishna is taking bath in Nandagaon. Mahaprabhu envisions how Krishna is taking bath. After that, Mahaprabhu thinks, “Where is Srimati Radhika?” She is also taking bath in Yavat. All the sakhis are also present with Her. So, hours and hours will pass, and the sincere sadhaka will still be chanting, “Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.” As he chants, he will weep. This is permanent food for the mind. By this, you will be controlled and satisfied. You will continually engage in service. Try to engage your mind this way.

Do you understand something? This is an outline of how Srila Rupa Gosvami, Raghunatha das Gosvami, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and other divine personalities would control their minds while being engaged in their human like pastimes. Gradually, step by step, control your mind. We cannot follow a post graduate of devotion—a Mahabhagavat, but we can follow Madhyama-adhikaris. But this Madhyama adhikari should be a Madhyama-kanista, not a Madhyama-madhyama.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Why not Madhyama-madhyama?

Srila Gurudeva: You cannot follow. You can only understand one step of devotion at a time. You can only follow those who are ahead of you. But if you meet them the pure devotees, you may commit an offense because you may consider him to be your rival. As someone did to Svamiji. Someone tries to rival his Gurudeva, thinking him to be an ordinary person.

Devotee: Madhyam-kanista is after kanista?

Srila Gurudeva: After kanista-uttama comes Madhyama-kanista.

Devotee: A Madhyama comes in nista?

Srila Gurudeva: No nista. If you are kanista, nista is lacking.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Madhyama-madhyama has nista?

Srila Gurudeva: Nista begins from the Madhyama stage. A kanista has nista, but it is not matured. A kanista hears from a Madhyama-adhikari on who a kanistha is, who a Madhyama is, and on who an uttama is. Then, he gradually develops. A kanista comes in the Madhyama-kanista stage, then he becomes a Madhyama-madhyama. He then becomes Madhyama-uttama. There are so many stages in the realm of devotion.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Asakthi comes at which point in Madhyama? Madhyama-kanista?

Srila Gurudeva: Madhyama-madhyama. And when the stage of bhava comes, the devotee is in the stage of Madhyama-uttama. Then, you can become a sadhaka. Before, you were in the stage of sadhaka-abhasa. We are all in the category of sadhaka-abhasa, not sadhaka. When we come in the platform of Bilvamangala Thakura, then we are sadhakas, otherwise we are not sadhakas. Who is called a sadhaka?

Krti sadhya bhaved sadhya…

The nitya siddha bhava of the Vrajavasis like Gopi bhava or Yasoda Maiya’s bhava constitutes the bhava of the Ragatmika Vrajavasis. For imbibing these moods, we are performing sadhana. We want Visuddha-sattva bhava, the mood of unalloyed goodness to descend within our hearts, then our efforts will be called sadhana.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: When we say kanista, Madhyama, and uttama, can we find an Uttama-adhikari in this world?

Srila Gurudeva: You cannot find, but someone can find, because Krishna has arranged for them. You will see a person committing offenses, you will also see that he has ego, lust, and other qualities. You will see all his qualities very minutely and judge. Judging him, you will say, “How stupid he is!” But you will not see how stupid you are. You are very qualified for judging people.


Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: I read the biography of Srila Vamshi das Babaji Maharaja.

Srila Gurudeva: That is why I said that you cannot understand who a Mahabhagavat is.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Vamshi das Babaji Maharaja was such a person?

Srila Gurudeva: He was a siddha purusha. What is siddha? It means he had bhava.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna..

If bhava will come, you will have no awareness of this body. Sometimes you will be aware.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Every Uttama is not necessarily a siddha?

Srila Gurudeva: No, they are siddha, that is why they are called Mahabhagavat. Bhava has descended in their hearts. But even among the Mahabhagavats, there are many categories. For instance, when Narada Rsi was the son of a maidservant, he belonged to the first stage of Mahabhagavat. Sukadeva Gosvami belonged to the second stage of Mahabhagavats. Narada Rsi in his full-fledged consciousness belongs to the third category of Mahabhagavats. They are all Uttama-adhikaris. The Narada Rsi of the third category is an Uttama-uttama. Sukadeva Gosvami is an Uttama-madhyama. When Narada Rsi had a glimpse of Krishna, where Krishna gave His darsana to Narada Rsi and vanished; then this stage was of Uttama-kanista. You should develop your Krishna consciousness and become a Madhyama-adhikari from the first stage, Madhyama-kanista. Understand that you have to become a Madhyama-adhikari, but don’t think, “I have become a Madhyama-adhikari.”

Sripada Shrauti Maharaja: I was about to ask you, “What is the process?”

Srila Gurudeva: When any Vaisnava will come and kick you on the head, then this is the process. If any Vaisnava comes, if Svamiji comes and kicks you on the head; then you will attain perfection.

Sripada Shrauti Maharaja: What will he give?

Devotee: A kick on the head.

Sripada Shrauti Maharaja: Can you do again?


Srila Gurudeva: I cannot kick you. I am a kanistha-adhikari. I can kick you because of ego, anger, but it will not do. The Vaisnavas will kick you mercifully. Nityananda Prabhu placed his feet on the head of Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. And He also kicked Sivananda Sena Prabhu. This is proper. Srila Krishna das Kaviraja Gosvami said, “A very exalted Vaisnava having a Vamsi, flute in his hands came to my house. He was very attached to Sri Nityananda Prabhu.” This Vaisnava is Minakatena Ramadasa. He would mercifully give some slaps and touch devotees with his Vamsi. He would also use his stick in bestowing his mercy to the devotees. He could do so because he was an Uttama-mahabhagavat. But I know that if I do so, I will do so because of anger. So it will not…

Sripada Shrauti Maharaja: When you left the temple, I touched you shoes, and you said, “I should wash my hands.” I had the aspiration to do like this, and for ten minutes I felt bliss all over my body. So, if you kick me, I will feel bliss for the rest of my life.


Srila Gurudeva: If I kick you, you will abuse me. You will say, “This is a very bad person.”


What to speak of kicking you, if I will abuse you, you will be upset and at once you will return to your home with your wife. You will say, “Oh he is not a good person.”

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna..

Now we should return.

Devotee: One more question?

Srila Gurudeva: It is enough for today. I will answer your question later.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

[Audio break]

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Maharaja, his attitude is that he was like others, forced to take second initiation.

Srila Gurudeva: But he should follow the principles of Srimad Bhagavatham.

Brajanatha Prabhu: We have to leave early.

Srila Gurudeva: Where?

Brajanatha Prabhu: To Prana Jivan Prabhu’s house. The program is from 9:30.

Srila Gurudeva: The program is from 9:30? Then I will have to get ready.

I will have to chant. Have they invited all?

Brajanatha Prabhu: I am sure. Prana Jivan Prabhu has invited other persons. He is the elderly gentleman.

Devotee: Gurudeva, he is so much enlivened by you.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: He is a very sincere bhakta. But he wants to return here by eleven?

Brajanatha Prabhu: The pujari said.

Srila Gurudeva: Why eleven?

Brajanatha Prabhu: 9:30, we are leaving from here.

Srila Gurudeva: We should return by 10:30. But no harm, we will have to prepare Mahaprasad.

[Audio break]

Devotee: You cannot stay for more than 30 days.

Sripada Madhava Maharaja: Before 18 July, we have to return from Canada.

Srila Gurudeva: 18 July is so long.

Sripada Madhava Maharaja: We can go to Vancouver, Canada and Mexico.

Devotee: You can go to two countries Maharaja—Canada and Mexico, provided they don’t stay for more than 30 days.

Srila Gurudeva: We can go to Mexico also?

Devotees: Yes!

[Lalit Mohan Prabhu makes some traditional Mexican sounds]

Srila Gurudeva: He is mad.


Sripada Madhava Maharaja: Pagal baba. He brought so many big…

Srila Gurudeva: I cannot take.

Lalit Mohan Prabhu: Gurudeva, we must use. It is so strong.

Srila Gurudeva: In the cars, it will be very uncomfortable.

Lalit Mohan Prabhu: Maybe you can see the brahmacaris carrying this black stick.

Brajanatha Prabhu: You can keep it in your house.

Srila Gurudeva: Make arrangements for my preaching in Mexico.

Brajanatha Prabhu: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: But Mexico is in the opposite direction.

Brajanatha Prabhu: We can send Pundarika to Mexico, his uncle will be there and we can come later.


Srila Gurudeva: This is very good news. Then we can go back and forth?

Brajanatha Prabhu: Yes. As many times as we want.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Multiple entry.

Sripada Madhava Maharaja: Before thirty days, we have to return from there.

Devotee: Yes.

Srila Gurudeva: It will be very good if we can go to New York and from there, go to Toronto.

[Audio break]

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Extra thirty days.

Srila Gurudeva: I have to reach in time for Guru Purnima.

Brajanatha Prabhu: We can all pray to Yogamaya that she make some arrangements. If there was no Guru Purnima, I would have extended my stay.

Sripada Madhava Maharaja: If we don’t reach there Mathura in time, all the Mathuravasis and the devotees will kick me out.


Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: But, next year maybe.

Srila Gurudeva: First, I will come to America and then, I will go to England and other places.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: By next year, Gurudeva, there will be so many invitations. So many invitations. You will not be able to return.

Srila Gurudeva: I will come here first and my final place of visit will be Holland.

Brajanatha Prabhu: First, we will go to Costa Rica and to South America. The weather is nice and warm.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Another thing. You can do twice every year because in the Southern Hemisphere of this planet…

Brajanatha Prabhu: There is no time. We cannot spend a lot of time outside India.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: When it is winter in India.

Srila Gurudeva: Will money not be required for traveling back and forth?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: We will arrange the money.

Srila Gurudeva: I can come if the funds are there.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: No problem! We will arrange.

Brajanatha Prabhu: Sridhama Prabhu is there. All the money will be arranged.


Srila Gurudeva: He is as poor as myself.

Brajanatha Prabhu: Vicitri will go collecting in Venice Beach.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: For your seva, we will become maha-dani.

Devotee : We are staying in Malaysia, so please visit us there Maharaja.

Srila Gurudeva: You should arrange in Malaysia. Can you arrange a program during December-January?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: You can do a two month to one country because you can go to Malaysia, Singapore, Fiji, Australia, New Zealand; all these countries have warm weather.

Devotee: We have to go to Jagannatha Puri.

Brajanatha Prabhu: You can go.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Yes, you can go.


Srila Gurudeva: Can you arrange a program in Malaysia. I want to go after the Gaura Purnima festival.

Brajanatha Prabhu: After Kartika festival?

Srila Gurudeva: I want go after Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s birthday celebrations.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: After Gaura Purnima?

Srila Gurudeva: Yes.

Brajanatha Prabhu: When you go to Puri in the months of December-January normally, we can go to Malaysia. It is only four hours by plane.

Devotee: Three hours.

Srila Gurudeva: Round?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: From Calcutta to Malaysia, four hours by plane.

Srila Gurudeva: Okay, then we will go.

Devotee: This year?

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Yes, this winter.

Srila Gurudeva: After Kartika, we should go. But I have heard that they don’t allow red-clothed Sannyasis.

Brajanatha Prabhu: It is okay in Malaysia Maharaja, but it is different in Singapore.

Srila Gurudeva: Krishna can arrange everything. Here, Krishna is arranging everything. Gopinatha is arranging. I only know Gopinatha.

Devotee: And Brajanatha.

Srila Gurudeva: Brajanatha, Gopinatha, Prana Kisora; all are the same. I believe them. So many problems were created, but we didn’t have to go through any trouble. Yogamaya arranged everything.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: There is another country nearby Malaysia and his wife is from Bali.

Srila Gurudeva: I know Bali.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: His father in law has a very nice house there. And his Gurudeva, Gaura Govinda Maharaja used to come and stay there. And that would be a very nice place for you to stay.

Srila Gurudeva: How many devotees are there?

Devotee: Five hundred devotees are there.

Srila Gurudeva: Then, I must go there.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: And they do not like the ISKCON authorities.

Srila Gurudeva: Do you know who Vali was? He was the brother of Sugriva. He used to live there.

Sripada Padmanabha Maharaja: Some Vedic culture is still there, but it is mixed with demigod worship.

Srila Gurudeva: Anyhow, something is still there.

Brajanatha Prabhu: Now, we should take prasad. It is becoming late.

Srila Gurudeva: We have to go.

[Audio break]

Devotee: What can we do?

Srila Gurudeva: You can weep.

Devotee: We are weeping.


Srila Gurudeva: I will be back. I don’t believe in this translation.

Devotee 2: Gurudeva, I spoke with Gaura-priya.

Srila Gurudeva: Gaura-priya from Vrindavana.

Devotee 2: Yes. I spoke to her about the name, “Rukmini-Dvarakadisa,” that was given to the deities here. She has been in Los Angeles for so many years. She said that in the beginning Prabhupada gave the deities a Radha-Krishna name, they were Radha-Krishna deities. And after some time, because this place was called New Dvaraka, therefore some devotee, I think she said it was Jayatirtha who changed the name to Rukmini-Dvarakadisa.

After some time, Prabhupada came and asked, “Why have you changed the name? I never gave this name.”

Srila Gurudeva: Yes. Very good. Very good.

Devotee: And they pressured him to keep this name.

Srila Gurudeva: They do wrong things.

[To Vicitra dasi]

You should read, don’t come here.

Vicitra dasi: I can’t locate it quickly, that is the problem. Krishna is leaving from Mathura.

Srila Gurudeva: You should make a mark.

Vicitra dasi: I found the mark.

Srila Gurudeva: When Krishna is with the gopis, Baladeva Prabhu cannot come.

Vicitra dasi: Gurudeva, this translation is from Shyamalala.

Srila Gurudeva: You should read what is there.

Vicitra dasi: This is part two, chapter six. This is the 276th sloka.

Srila Gurudeva: Then, you should read the previous sloka.

Vicitra dasi reads: “Abusing Sri Nanda Raya and the gopas in the same way, being extremely distressed, they began cursing Akrura. Exiting the house, they were crying pitifully and calling out to the beloved of their lives—Sri Krishna. They began running after the chariot.

Srila Gurudeva: Baladeva Prabhu and Akrura can come, because they are weeping. So, they may come to pacify them. They cannot play.

[Vicitra dasi continues reading]

“Their bitter cries of intense anguish made Sri Nanda Raya, Sri Baladeva, Sri Krishna, Sri Akrura, and all of those sitting on the chariot also cry. Seeing this, all the Vrajavasis fainted. In an instant, Sri Krishna who is the gopis’ only ambition, composed Himself. Seeing that the gopis were on the verge of leaving their bodies, to save…

Srila Gurudeva: Where is the question?

Vicitra dasi: Here Gurudeva. “To save their lives, He descended from the chariot and unseen to anyone, led them into a kunja. Not seeing Krishna on the chariot, Kamsa’s messenger Akrura felt very morose. Then, with eloquent words he began to persuade Balarama…”

Srila Gurudeva: He was not playing. You should know that on crying, Krishna is going to pacify them. At that time…

Vicitra dasi: Here it says…

Srila Gurudeva: You should read patiently. When they were dying, Nanda-Yasoda also come at that time. What to speak of Akrura? Anyone can come. No harm. If you are not dying, I will not touch you. But when you are dying, what to speak of touching you, I will perform many services. No harm. So, when the gopis were dying, Baladeva, His father and grandfather, and all will come and they will pacify the gopis. You will have to be qualified to read and understand.

[Audio file ends]

[Transcribed by the Bhaktabandhav Team]